Friday, September 26, 2008

Some Kinda Love

Man, lack of sleep fucks me up.
I get so goddamn emotional.
Actually, it makes me fucking delusional.
So I can’t tell exactly what’s real right now and what isn’t.
Besides, I’m probably too close to all of this to write about it.
I have no perspective.
I don’t know what any of it means.
But here it is anyway.
Yesterday I felt like I wasn’t ready for any of this. I don’t know how to change, or I felt like I couldn’t change.
But it’s a choice.
Everything’s a choice.
The choice might be so fucking hard that it’s nearly impossible, but, ultimately, it is possible—I can change.
I can.
That’s what she keeps telling me.
It’s all about choice.
I argued with her about it, but then I gave up after awhile.
I mean, she’s right.
She convinced me.
The thing is, I was actually super committed to not getting involved with anyone—especially not falling in love.
I knew I wasn’t ready.
I mean, I know I’m not ready.
When I’m with someone I start to forget everything else in my life and just become completely absorbed in them. I feel so fucking good when I’m with them that I start to fear any second that we’ll have to be apart. I convince myself that I can’t live without them. My entire existence becomes dependant on the goddamn relationship.
It always happens.
It’s this default setting inside me.
I’m like a police dog incapable of disobeying a command.
But I guess that’s just the lie I tell myself—that I can’t do things differently.
I find myself reverting back to the exact same behaviors I’ve always engaged in—it tears me apart—but I’m not willing to do what it takes to change.
That is a choice.
Staying the same is so much easier—even if it breaks me wide open and destroys every relationship I’ve ever been in. That pain is still easier. It is the path of least resistance—and, as she keeps pointing out to me, if I keep repeating the same destructive pattern, I obviously must be getting something out of it. I mean, I must enjoy it in some masochistic sort of way.
Goddamn do I not want to admit that. The fact that there’s a piece of me that actually enjoys and seeks out the pain and drama is so totally shameful. It means I’m not as much of a victim as I like to think I am. It means I actually have to take some responsibility for the choices I make.
She’s taught me all these things.
And I fucking believe them.
I mean, they are the truth.
Anyway, so, yeah, I was trying not to get in a relationship again ‘cause I knew I wasn’t strong enough to not repeat those same fucked up patterns of mine. And, that’s reality, you know? I’m not.
So I just figured I’d stay away from girls and get strong on my own and then eventually be able to find some perfect, meaningful, non-codependent relationship.
That’s even what I was told to do by counselors and people at meetings.
But life doesn’t work like that.
There’s not some mathematical equation humans can be plugged into in order to solve whatever problem they might be having. I’m not the letter X or Y. I’m not some variable. Life plays itself out and, as similar as we all are, we are also so very different. And besides, it seems like no matter how much preparation I have, when I’m put back in an old situation, I forget everything I’ve learned and just react like I always have.
I’m dumb.
And life happens.
We have no control over that at all.
But what we do with it is our choice.
So this is my choice today.
Yesterday I got so scared I almost called it off.
But today I’m choosing to keep trying—not run away—maybe fucking grow up for once.
The girl, right? The girl met me at a coffee shop—the product of some random seating arrangement and, uh, just starting to talk.
Fuck, man, that was last Thursday.
We’ve probably talked a thousand hours since then.
And I was trying to stay detached and whatever—not get involved. But, more and more, with everyday, I began to see this person as uniquely beautiful and brilliant—so different from me in so many ways, but still so similar.
I made the choice to go further.
We talked and hung out and learned more and more.
But, before I even was aware of it, we’d basically been together almost every second of everyday since that first day we first met.
That feeling started coming on me, right? That feeling like the only happiness I’d ever known was with her and that I couldn’t stand being away from her. It was weird, too, ‘cause the more I was clinging to her, the more afraid I was of letting go.
But it wasn’t just that, my whole perception shifted. It was like I was actually starting to believe that I couldn’t exist without her.
The reality, of course, is that I actually really like my life today, regardless of whether she’s in it or not. I like my time alone—my time with my other friends.
The feelings I had weren’t real. They were a distorted delusion. And It’s my choice whether to keep indulging in the illusion, or actually make the totally terrifying effort to try something new.
But yesterday it seemed hopeless—like I couldn’t make that choice and I was gonna have to run to save myself from burning out.
I hadn’t mentioned this to her at all, though, when she told me very plainly that she was worried about becoming too codependent with me and that she thought we should spend a day apart—try to only communicate once or twice through text messages.
Alright, so, uh, that seems like a pretty easy thing to accomplish, right? I mean, spend one day apart from someone you met a week ago.
But, fuck, it was like having nails driven into my lungs when she first said it. I felt like curling up to nothing.
I knew she was right, but I felt powerless to pull away from her—even for a day.
It felt impossible.
Still, though, I began to look back at my life and I could see how every time I’d been faced with a situation like this, I’d always folded—I’d always chosen to just do the same thing over and over. I kinda had this realization that if I didn’t fucking try to face this shit—to learn, while allowing myself to make mistakes, nothing would ever change. I had to pull the goddamn bandage off my skin.
So, fuck, here we go.
Day one of trying to maybe engage in a healthy relationship—whatever that means.
Right this second it feels like I’m going to fail.
Maybe if I sleep some that’ll change.
I’m fucking tired.
Tired of all this shit really.
So, uh, yeah, we’ll see.


119 comments:

sunwazblu said...

Half the battle is recognizing the pattern, and you go from there. Pat yourself on the back for seeing it for what it is. Take care and be kind to yourself, you deserve it, regardless of which path you take. You are only human dude. Peace.

Samantha said...

wow N.

"It’s all about choice"

you can enjoy something/someone without being addicted to it/them.

.Although it's hard to turn off an obsessive brain.



"Day one of trying to maybe engage in a healthy relationship—whatever that means."

1 day is better than none.

PS get some sleep. Deep breathing helps me when I can't sleep.

Alana said...

Jesus.

kathleen said...

I'd decided just to follow along and stop commenting as this forum was getting kind of wild, but then I read this, and well...

This is a painful, agonizing yet WONDERFUL opportunity for you to grow and learn about yourself, if you can abstain from falling into your old reactive pattern. Try as though your life depends on it! (it does.) Go to therapy more. Spend time with different friends. Talk to family (if it helps.) Do whatever it takes (except drugs) to slow the hell down and tolerate your feelings on your own. Truly, best wishes. This is the hardest work to do.

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KC said...

When you get through this day and see that it's not the end of the world...maybe, just maybe you can attempt having a normal relationship.

Good for you.

Anne said...

So are you still going away to see the family this weekend now that you have met this new girl?

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Anonymous said...

I guess this is why they always say you should not have a relationship in the early stages of recovery, because you can really lose yourself in it.

I hope this going away to your family this weekend will help get a little perspective on everything, perhaps.
Also I agree it is a good thing that you are recognizing all these things now. First step. Just make sure you are ready before you jump into it that makes you lose yourself. You have come too far to do that.

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Lily said...

I think part of having a healthy relationship is to NOT HAVE TO spend every minute together Nic. To be able to enjoy yourself while doing your on thing... but frankly right now the best thing you can do is focus on yourself and not have any romantic relationship. Its good that you recognize your pattern, knowing this might make it a LITTLE easier to change. There is so much going on out there in the world right now, more than JUST ONE PERSON can offer you while you're recovering. So many good things to focus on and doing that are healthy. Dont get me wrong, HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS are good, but unfortunately you seem to have a few problems to work out on your own first, any relationship that you get involved in right now will be chaos and unhealthy because of this. It doesn't mean that the girls you involve yourself with are necessarily bad influence all the time, it just means that involving yourself in anything romantic will only result in hurt on both ends.... and its nobody's fault. It just means that the issues at hand right now are too great and important to be overlooked. They need to be your priority right now. Remember there is more than one person who will pay the consequences at the end and you can't move forward before you fix the problem.

Those are my views... thanks for reading.

Peace & love,

Lily

Anonymous said...

so the stuff you said about having better days lately, connecting to people and going to see your family, was that true or not?
cos with this posts it seems not, or it could just be a moment of feeling bad cos youre so tired

dani said...

one day at a time right.

so the girl your interested in now is a recovering addict too...so both of you seem to have attachment problems. I mean, if she actually suggested a day apart because of the fear of attachment, that's good. It might have hurt, but just breathe. In and out.

the world will continuing going around regardless of what happens.

the shadow proves the sunshine.

Anonymous said...

drug addicts are good liars.

heavy is the head that wears that crown..

you make it sound horrible but it wouldnt look so bad with bandage off.

haight street kid said...

Albert Einstein is reported to have said: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

So we know this-
a)you have an addictive personality
b)you have OCD
c)La isn't the best place before
d) you need to work on yourself

History is doomed to repeat itself, if you don't learn from it...
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING???

haight street kid said...

this is easy for me to say-
but I slip and repeat myself often, too. Good luck!

Aleta said...

Take each day as it comes Nic. Once you become content with just being with yourself then start a relationship. Continue getting to know who the real Nic is. I think you are doing really good myself.

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Anonymous said...

Have you taken a step back and listened to your own justifications?

dmorris311 said...

pat yourself on the back. that's great advice.

bad choices. and you keep making the same ones over and over again. the most disturbing part is that you are totally aware of what you're doing. sad.

Anonymous said...

lily, why do you keep posting the same msg and then deleting it?

sandy said...

is the girl an addict? or recovering addict? did you say that nic?

??

Sheri said...

Ahh Nic..... Your recovery and my sons are so similiar! I see the train wreck coming and can't do a thing to stop it. BE CAREFUL, take this time for yourself.

My son had a long term relationship when he entered rehab, he continued the relationship through out his recovery. She realizing she was codependent and not helping him or herself ended the relationship 2 weeks ago, a day later he relapsed... in fact OD'd. He spent a week in the hospital recovering and is so messed up right now.

He simply replaced his drug addiction with his obession with this girl. I worried over it long and hard, but could do nothing to stop it. I love this girl, she is a great person and I don't "blame" her at all... but from the outside looking in I saw what was coming!

You are going to do what you want, I know that... but PLEASE, PLEASE, be prepared for any outcome. Have a plan that doesn't include a relapse should things not go the way you want!!!!

One day at a time is all we have, be strong... and for the love of God, hold on Nic, HOLD ON!

S

Anonymous said...

how will you ever know if you can truely be alone if you cant turn down a single person?

Tricia said...

Well Nic you should definitely get some sleep.

I don't think you should be in a relationship now. You really need to focus on yourself first.

Are you still going to SF this weekend? It might be good to get away. Good Luck!
Love Tricia

lise said...

I guess this means you arent going to SF after all?
Hope you know what you are doing, is all I can say really. Maybe its time to take a step back and take it all in from afar.

enigma said...

Nic,

Have you talked to your counselor or psychiatrist? Getting no sleep can lead to manic episode and you don't need that and how can you think at all without sleep?

I agree with a lot of what people have said, you should not be in a relationship right now and you even admit that. You need to work on you, so that you can be "whole' when you do enter a relationship. I wondered if Friday's and Monday's posts were writing you had done before. It seems as if this new relationship derailed everything you are working towards and you recognize that. Have you gone to any meetings in the last week?

You really do have to love yourself first before you can love someone else.

mels said...

i did exactly what you are doing. i went from one relationship to another. I swear i loved every single of them but i think i just loved the feeling they gave me..but you know as well as i do nic that it will fade..the feelings, the excitement..or once something more "interesting" comes along..then you will leave them. Or worse, they leave you..you take a hit to your ego which you confuse as a hit to you heart...then you relapse.. i hope you really think about what your doing? why not doing something new for a change? why rush into something like this? there are plenty of women who will love you..when its right.

Donis said...

Nic,
SLOW down! You need to listen to your head, it's trying to tell you that this relationship is not the right choice for right now.

You are flirting with disaster. But you know this, go to visit your family this week-end, step back and breathe.

You have been in toxic relationships over and over, and from the outside looking in, this looks like another toxic choice. The last thing you need is to hook up with an addict in recovery, who is already questioning her co-dependency to a relationship that is one week old. Come on! You are not dumb, you are smart and talented and you know the right answer, you know the choice to make.

So have the courage to make it. It is time that you choose "you", not the relationship.

Take care Nic, I will be thinking of you. Go to a meeting, talk to someone.

Take a step back and breathe.

carl said...

Uh this trip to San Francisco really could not have come at a better time. Get the hell away from LA and focus on your health dude, is all I can say. I guess you will only take these comments as negativity and criticism and push it all away but I think deep down you know they make sense. If you actually listen to the reason within yourself. And I hope you do.

Happy_Housewife said...

New relationships are by nature all consuming... at least in my experience. I don't really know if it's possible to slow the ride down. The elation and excitement gets the better of you.

BUT, for a healthy person, every thing levels out over time and you rediscover the joys of being with other loved ones... of being by yourself. But, for some one dealing with mania, addiction, OCD, etc... well, it just seems like a really bad idea. The intensity never levels out. The unhealthiness of the relationship just escalates. Not sure if she is an addict, but if she is, what happens if she relapses? Are you strong enough - whole enough - to not relapse right along with her? Can you walk away if it becomes evident that the relationship is not good for you and your recovery?

Sure, you can change. But, are you far enough along in your recovery at this point, where you can take a little effort away from that in order to devote it to working on your relationship issues? I don't know you, but from what you present here, it doesn't seem like it.

Nic, I hate to see you set yourself up for a fall...

Best of luck. Get some sleep.

Cara

Anonymous said...

Nic,
I feel compelled to add my voice to the others!!
they say not to get in a relationship during the first year of sobriety. there is a really good reason for that - it is so that your sobriety comes first before all else, and that you don't HURT YOURSELF or HURT ANOTHER PERSON!!!!!
It is good advice, and if you listen carefully - you've been around enough to have listened a bit right? you will hear a lot of stories about how one or the other person ends up using. No, not always, but I've been around 25years and it is way often more than not the truth...

It's hard work nic, I acknowledge that BIG TIME but its work we all need to do - we need to be healthy ourselves - 2 sick people don't make one well couple..

Please Nic, I beg you - be careful - stay away from any slippery slope.. It will never get any better than your last relapse - they will ALL suck just as much.

Be well lad - wishing you the absolute best

Anonymous said...

so are you not going to do the book tour either? you got any news on that? whether you are going to do it or not and what the dates are etc

LadyMissSusan said...

Part of me wants to scream at you and say WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING
???? I'm sure that someone in the program has told you that you CAN'T love someone until you love yourself. Do you REALLY think you are there? Can you really stay sober thru whatever might happen if and when this relationship ends? I'm not exactly sure how much time you have or how many steps you've worked but this actually makes me fear for you.

On the other hand, I do the EXACT fucking thing in relationships. NONE Of mine have been healthy. Of course, I haven't had one sober yet either. I lose myself every time and end up worse for wear because of it. It's just something that I can't risk right now. I do NOT know if I can pull myself up again. Has it left me a bit closed off? Maybe. Do I miss it in my life? Fucking ABSOLUTELY! But with more time to work on me I get stronger to handle things instead of crashing head first into the nearest pole. It happened last week, almost. Luckily for me God was definitely intervening on my part or I would probably be high right now.

Sleep will help. Meetings and talking to your sponsor and following their suggestions will help. You can only break the cycle if you are willing to change. You know, if it is meant to be, it will happen in the right time when you are better prepared to handle it.

Have fun in SF. If your still going. I'm sure the time away will give you a bit better perspective too.

Anonymous said...

this is sad sad news..

enigma said...

Nic,

Wanted to add..Hold on, don't fall. Everything I said was meant in the most "loving" way. You said at one point something about wishing you could make friends/loved ones see themselves as others do. I wish we could do that for you. You have the most amazing talent, and from reading your dad's book, you seem like an amazing person. I wish you could see that. So please, hold on and remember, it's gonna be alright.

kirsten said...

You are doing pretty good in recovery, your book is doing well, you have made amends with your family, you are going back to school.
All those things are so positive. Focus on them instead of things that you know can destroy all of those things in a split second.
I mean is this new obsession more important than your health? Your family? Your life?

You speak a lot about genuinely wanting to change.

THIS is a moment in time where you can actually make a step to DO that. Make NEW decisions, not repeat old patterns that you know get you in trouble.

Anonymous said...

Ladymissusan..... aren't you the one professing your undying love for Nic just the other day?

Anonymous said...

I really wonder if he is going to come back and respond at all anymore, to these things that were said and asked about going to sf and all
maybe he wont cos he is pissed at our criticism. or maybe he will. time will tell.

Donis said...

Nic,
do you notice there is not a single person on here who had said, "wow congratulations, sounds amazing".......

why do you think that is?.......

Because we are looking from the outside in and man, we are all scared for you right now.........this is a major step in your recovery, go s-l-o-w

Anonymous said...

Maybe he is not responding cos he already left for San Francisco????

Anonymous said...

I don't think anyone is really offering criticism.... just showing concern.

Anonymous said...

ashes, ashes, we all fall down. hes got blinders on people...the feeling she gives him overweighs anything we have to say. its like telling a teenager he cant have something, what do most people do when you tell them they cant have something...they want it even more.
good luck
good riddens.

Anonymous said...

True but when you are in a state of obsession or addiction or whatever one likes to call it, I could imagine you would view anything you dont want to hear as criticism

Nic Sheff said...

Uhmmm,
the book tour starts October first and it's only a week I think, but I can't remember exactly.
New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado (maybe), San Diego.
Not sure.
I just sort of work better doing what they tell me as it comes up.
I know I'm getting on a plane a week from Monday--that's about it.
What else?
Yes, I'm still going away this weekend.
And, yeah, I'm totally scared about all this.
Totally fucking scared.
I'm gonna try to go in with my eyes open.
And not run from the pain.
'Cause the fear of the feelings is always way worse than the feelings themselves.
I'm so grateful I have a support system around me to help me navigate all this.
I'm sure I'll keep making big ass mistakes.
But there's no other way to grow.
There just ain't.
So it's all part of it.
Pain, loss, love, delusion, whatever.
If I stick through it I can move on.
If I run or get high, then that's when I'm destined never to fucking change.
At least, that's what I got today.
But the world is so goddamn fluid and the one constant is that things will change.
That's a relief sometimes.
But it can also fucking suck.
n

Anonymous said...

but youve already made enough mistakes to last you a lifetime :(

Anne said...

You definitely sound a little clearer in this last message you just posted.

I wish you the best of luck. And am glad you have your support system around you to help you. Also hope you actually take their advice and use it ;o)

Anonymous said...

I am not sure how you put up with this. Posting these feelings for all to see and then getting all those people giving their opinions about YOUR life. I am not here to tell you how to live your life, but I do wish you the best.

Alana said...

Did I say this already? Jesus!

Nic.

Eek.

Eh.

Fudgebot.

Something.

I can't decide whether you're positively genius or completely moronic. Forgive the adverbs. Twain suggested we kill them all, and King suggests the road to hell is paved by adverbs.

Anyway. I don't love you, Nic. I dig the idea you could find peace and healing through your artistic expression because I believe in the redemptive power of art.

But I'm probably a moron.

I dug the same idea about J.T. Leroy too. Enough said.

Anyway. Most my relationships have been ridiculous so I'm a huge kettle calling another kettle black or however it goes.

My son once asked me where his black was. His best friend was Black, and he wanted to be Black too.

A

Anonymous said...

Autobiography in 5 Short Chapters
by Portia Nelson (written in 1977, copyrighted material)

I walk down the street.
There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
I fall in.
I am lost .... I am helpless.
It isn't my fault.
It takes forever to find a way out.

I walk down the street.
There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
I pretend that I don't see it.
I fall in again.
I can't believe I am in this same place.
But, it isn't my fault.
It still takes a long time to get out.

I walk down the same street.
There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
I see it is there.
I still fall in ... it's a habit ... but, my eyes are open.
I know where I am.
It is my fault.
I get out immediately.

I walk down the same street.
There is a deep hole in the sidewalk.
I walk around it.

I walk down another street.

kitty8katnip said...

Did you know that everytime he goes out for a coffee- weird shit happens?
blogging - over coffee
met dog- while going to get coffee
New girl- seated and having coffee

* Never go for coffee when nic is around

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kathleen said...

I also noticed in your post that you were hoping to one day have a perfect, non-codependent relationship-- something to that effect. Perfect relationship (co-dependent or not) is an oxymoron! And it exists in the land of unicorns and fairies and folks with drug problems who say to themselves "everything feels the same but this time it will be different," and it actually is.
Be careful, use your supports, and take care.

Ambone said...

Yikes!
Yeah, you probably aren't ready for any sort of relationship. But whatever, it's not gonna stop you. It didn't stop me. I am always in a relationship of some sort... Just the way I am. But, at least you are aware, and willing to change. Willingness is key, once that's gone, you're pretty much fucked. Change is the only constant, and that damn cliche: "this too shall pass." It does. Time heals everything. One day at a time Nic.
I'm going to go snorkeling. The fish here are really pretty. I love the color of the water, and the feeling of the salt on my skin. Hang in there, yo!

not_so_perfect said...

I am not going to tell you what to do. Be with her dont be with her its your choice. I just hope you can handle it when it all blows up in your face, and trust me it will.

Anonymous said...

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Continue to surround yourself with love and positive souls. Make sure that you’re taking care of yourself as you invest time and energy into your relationship. Be cautious of the advice given to you. People project their own fears but those don’t need to be yours as well!

Come to San Diego for coffee…hey, when are you in SD for the book tour?

justsashthoughts16 said...

Nic.......YOU are not dumb. Sometimes your actions are, but YOU are smart enought to realize that you needed to take a break, and work on yourself, before you ingage in the attachements that come with having a relationsip with another person. I believe the most important thing before getting into a relationship with someone is to be in love with yourself first, because everyone has ther own baggege be it emotional,mental,physical,spritual, and if either person has not worked on there own and they come together.......Well, I'll let you ponder the outcome because I really have to go. Later,
Love,Sasha

Lily said...

Yeah IF you are coming to San Diego, LET US SD PPL know Please!

Lisa T said...

Nic,

You're doing great, cut yourself some slack!
Enjoy the beauty of West Marin and your family that adores you unconditionally.

Please let us know the date/time/place for the San Diego leg of your book tour.

Lisa

tim said...

Nic says,
"That’s even what I was told to do by counselors and people at meetings.
But life doesn’t work like that.
There’s not some mathematical equation humans can be plugged into in order to solve whatever problem they might be having. I’m not the letter X or Y. I’m not some variable. Life plays itself out and, as similar as we all are, we are also so very different. And besides, it seems like no matter how much preparation I have, when I’m put back in an old situation, I forget everything I’ve learned and just react like I always have.
I’m dumb.
And life happens.
We have no control over that at all.
But what we do with it is our choice.
So this is my choice today."
Ok, here we go. I know that your mind is made up and you will probably get involve with her.So try this. Without posting the answers, try these questions. Is she in recovery? How many years? Has she ever relapsed? How many times? Has she been in a relationship with an addict before? What happen?
Now a couple of my thoughts. Nic,how much success have you had in your recovery when you went against the advice of your counselors, sponsers, people at meetings? How much success have you had when you made that choice against their advice?
If you can answer once then by all means try it your way again. I'm sure this time will be the charm.
tim

Emily said...

Nicky,
Perfect relationships don't exist. The best of the best relationships require work, a lot of hard work. Take this one day at a time and relax and have fun. You should be happy right now. New relationships are supposed to be fun and exciting in the beginning. Kick back, relax, enjoy the fun new sex and relax damn it. Just relax sweet Nicky. You are going to be okay!!!
Think of you,
Emily

Anonymous said...

nic- i think any girl would be very lucky to have you. i don't know if you realize that already, but maybe if you do then you will be more comfortable "letting go" a little. and you are very attractive. so do you know that because i think if you really allowed yourself to believe those facts that you would have to stop this bullshit cycle & could no longer put yourself in such a vulnerable position in the first place. I do the same thing, always have so I know exactly what you are involved in. anyways...sorry for rambling but I just wanted you to know don't be scared in this or any relationship of whatever b/c i think you have SO MUCH to offer & i know the reason you probably get so wrapped up in who you're with is b/c you are such a passionate person & that's so great b/c most guys aren't capable of that. Just know that you are probably the best boyfriend ever and even better if you just be yourself, and by being yourself I mean realizing how lucky that girl is to have you interested in the first place...you don't have to play games with yourself. you have so much potential & energy...I think it's probably hard to admit that to yourself because it's overwhelming. I know that I am really rambling, but the bottom line is that yes it is your choice- there are alot of people who do alot with little because they don't have much so they work w/ what they have. Then there are people with alot & they do know it but it scares the hell out of them so they lie to themselves?& you have alot to offer so please realize it. you deserve the best. please be careful

sandy said...

oh.
nic.

I guess from all the previous responses you get what the general consensus is about you falling in love AGAIN.

But my gut reaction to all this was more about the girl.
If I was HER mother. If she were my daughter…I’d be so worried. I’d want to sit down and talk to her. Quickly! First I’d say:
“WHAT the HeLL are YOU ThINKinG!!!”

Then I’d calm down and try and be reasonable with her. I’d tell her(as I’ve told her many times) that lust and love are easily confused. Next, I’d tell her to think. think. think!
I’d say make a list:

This boy is a recovering addict. He had a very severe addiction to lots of drugs.
He’s been in and out of several rehabs.

He hasn’t been sober very long at all.

He’s bipolar. OCD. He’s an emotional wreck.

He’s been ‘in love’ many, many times before. He seems to be addicted to ‘being in love’.
He seems to be addicted to drama.

He has no job.

He hasn’t a college degree.

He hasn’t got a car.

He lives in East Hollywood, in a dumpy apartment, with another recovering addict.

He should be working on his sobriety and his own mental health right now.

He should be building an independent, strong life for himself.

I’d say, “Look at all these things and tell me what you’re thinking!!”

You are not going to be his saviour. You are not going to teach him anything he doesn’t already know. He is going to make you into crutch.

I’d tell her I understand the physical pull some people have on us. And I’d tell her that I also understand the allure of having someone who is ‘a little famous’ and a published author being attracted to you.

I’d tell her that I read Nic’s book and his dad’s and that from those books Nic sounds like he is/or could be a great guy.

It’s exciting. It’s new.
But, I’d say what about your OWN life, dreams, hopes?? The jobs you’ve talked about applying to, the places you want to travel to?

I’d remind her that she is in the process of building her own base. Her own platform to stand on. That she needs to have a firm, strong, platform that she can stand on and be comfortable on all alone before she asks anyone else to join her on it.

And that, if she still cared for Nic sometime down the road when their lives were both more solid and settled then maybe there WAS more to this meeting than just physical attraction. maybe.
but, I’d, say…...to meet someone one day and immediately become attached to him like a ‘parasite’ are not the actions of someone thinking clearly and of standing independently.

Lastly, I’d tell her that when she chooses someone to climb up and stand with her on the solid base she has built, it should be someone who is going to help her continue to build. Someone who also stands on a solid base. Someone who isn’t going to be constantly teetering around. Someone she won’t have to worry about falling off.

If this girl was my daughter, I’d be very, very worried for her.

If Nic was my son, I’d tell him to be strong. be a grown up. and do the right thing by this girl. Like he would want a guy to do, if it was his sister.

and this is all said with love, nic.
but, if it was my daughter…..ah.

enigma said...

Once again, Sandy, well said.

Anonymous said...

You said it, Sandy.
Nic, if you really cared about this girl you'd let her go.
Don't start playing games. You wrote the rules. You know the outcome.

Tricia said...

Yeah Sandy well said!

Anonymous said...

That being said, we are all partaking in Nic's co-dependent nature. It is all strangely symbiotic. We read his life, and if we should so feel the urge, comment on it with approval, wariness or judgment. Nic, in turn, must continue to check on the status of comments, the discourse among us. Point being, it's a bit unfair to chastise or patronize him when we are implicitly involved in perpetuating his co-dependence and OCD nature, while also furthering his pattern of self-loathing.

sandy said...

i, for one, really did not understand anything you just said.

maybe a little.

but, ah. not really....

for Nic's benefit, at least, could you clarify.

and i'm not being sarcastic in the least. i truly did not understand.

Tricia said...

Yeah I didn't get it either!

Tammy said...

Now don't forget that we have already determined that a persons maturity basically comes to a halt when they start using. So that makes Nic about 17 in maturity level. I remember 17 and think I fell in love with every pimple faced kid that looked at me. So in short if Nic gives himself time to mature a little he will look at these CRUSHES differently.

Anonymous said...

Ok, I'll respond, though I should be (as well all should be) watching the debate right now...

After a brief combing of comments, a general pattern emerges: people telling him to stay on the path, people telling him to get sleep, the espousing of the general nature of relationships (and why he shouldn't be in one, but why they can be great. ok), and of course the general sentiment of "What the hell are you thinking?".

What is the nature of this blog? A scheduled series of musings on life as he continues to recapture it, to not capitulate. We, as readers, are compelled to advise him, support him, to relate our lives with his, even though none of us really know him (or maybe we do, who can be sure? We all have screennames, or in my case, I don't.). I suppose I was more making a general commentary on the demented nature of blogs -- how it's easy to separate this world with the one he's living without any sort of recognition of how this whole thing is a manifestation (and a bit of a deviation) of the problems that got him into trouble in the first place. Namely, self-criticising (loathing), exposure (or, the objectification of oneself), and the mutual partaking of such patterns (group censorship, in a sense, or criticism). The intentions -- for the most part -- are good on everyones' parts. But what is the meaning behind all of this? A concern for Nic? Yes. A morbid (ok, that's a rather loaded word. Perhaps intrusive is more apt) curiosity with the sordid nature of his past and the hurdles to his recovery? Certainly. The comparisons we make to our past (or friends'/lovers'/family members') to his in order to learn more about ourselves? Undoubtedly. And, perhaps most relevantly, the need to criticise, patronise and advise him in order to help him and to validate the knowledge of our own instincts, if that makes sense. Meaning: I've had a bad relationship, if I've had abuse issues (or have been close to one who has), I now have a thorough understanding of the way things are. And, as such, I'm going to tell him what I know in a public forum. This makes me uncomfortable, and I also think that in many ways, it's part of the problem, not the solution because in some respects, it plays into the issues of his past, even if it isn't out of malevolence. Could it be called manipulation? Not really, but in some ways, yes. Nic, in turn, becomes a spectator to his own affairs. We are both the audience and the lion tamers.

I guess this is why I don't visit blogs for the most part. I get upset and write long-winded and convoluted responses. Long story short, it's something to consider as we follow his life.

Ok, off to presidential pedantics...

jeepinxj28 said...

the repetitive lifestyle is quite draining no? especially when you know what you're doing is wrong.

hope you're gettng some sleep. watch the debates, it'll knock you right the fuck out:p

(have a good time in sanFran.)

sandy said...

ya gotta laugh...nic..
hope you laugh.

as some (anonymous) people try to set themselves on the highest mountain above all of us ....

cave dwellers.

who really have problems.
who really have been thru the fire.

who really can relate.

none of us know everything.
but all of us know some things.

and we leave comments...on your blog....
for
lots
and
lots
and
lots
of different reasons.

"what is the nature of the blog?"
someone asks.

why does the 'blog' have to have
'a nature'.

it just flows.

like life.

we're all kind of just


"pissin' in the wind"


"bettin' on a losin' friend"


"makin' the same mistakes we swear we'll never make again......"

{does anyone know this song???} {it's a good one, and i don't even really like country music!}

peace, nic.
esta' bien.

not_so_perfect said...

There is only one person who could ever make you happy, and that person is you.
-David Burns

just thought I would share that with you.

dani said...

lol i love the coffee shop coincidences.

everything does seem to happen for you in a coffee shop.

Mary said...

The heart kicking, head rushing, intense, totally absorbing, overwhelming warmth of a new romantic relationship is much like our ( mine at least ) earlier experiences with chemical use. It basically just substitutes one addiction for another, and when it finally grinds to a halt, everyone involved feels hurt, sick, worthless and guilty. It sure sucked for me, so my hope is that it doesn't happen to you.
All my best wishes as usual Nic!
Mary

Katie said...

My god.

Katie said...

Nic,

Are you only having one book tour? And why don't you come to the east coast?

Jane said...

i started dating my now husband within his first year of sobriety, so you never know. but it didn't last until a few years later after he was ready for whatever God had planned. i had some letting go to do too in the meantime. with that being said, i've been meaning to ask you, why are you not enamored with God?

apandy1 said...

Good luck dude.
i always wish you the best.


peace,
Amber

Anonymous said...

Ahhh, so this is maybe why you havnt been around so much lately...
God man, I do the same thing. I know alot of people do... But I really think it's because we just cant get by on our own, and feel like we need the help an advice...

"Someone like you makes it hard to live without
somebody else

someone like you makes it easy to give
never think about myslef

If I gave you time to change my mind
I'd find a way to just leave the past behind
knowing that you lied straight-faced while I cried
still I look to find a reason to believe"

This song reminds me of my Dad and god, for some reason....
And I hope that you think about it a little more in depth than you'd just think about it on the surface. It's so easy to feel like you're falling in love man!!! But seriously...
The very beggining of meeting someone that you are attracted to of course is the whole running through feilds and holding hands shit. But you know, that after awhile things change, and get kinda boring. So if you really think this girl is cool, I would just simply suggest that you take a small step back to realize that you dont want to ruin some kind of great friendship by rushing into a relationship. Right? I hope you see where I'm coming from on this. The choice is up to you, but hopefully you think about it.

And don't have sex right away. That may ruin everything. For real bro. It is a big fucking deal, whether a guy thinks so or not. I dunno how you feel about that.
Nic, good luck, and may "god" guide you, totally.
P.S. sorry for the run-on sentances.

Anonymous said...

Don't sell youreself short Nic. You deserve the best. You know that, right????

William Wren said...

this is a great piece of writing

Anonymous said...

hows SF treating ya?

rachel said...

i honestly think you're doing an amazing job and you've changed so much. just keep your head up and keep working on breaking old patterns. im know you will get thru everything.

Smoo said...

You remind me of Brenda on "Six Feet Under." Talk to your therapist. That's probably the only unobjective person in your life.

Why does everyone in this room write like they are ee cummings?

Anonymous said...

I love what sandy said: what she'd say to her daughter. that was powerful!! thank you woman..

Anonymous said...

Maybe you should try a relationship with someone different, like a man? Maybe another man will help you along in getting rid of this pattern.

enigma said...

Yeah, Sandy, that was powerful. I wish my mom had said that to me.

Anonymous said...

NIC, YOU SAID-

"We try to find happiness through giving ourselves over to something else--becoming a slave--being owned completely.
I remember having this feeling like as long as I was using my life had some purpose.
And it did.
Pleasing my master--the craving in me.
Fuck that shit, man.
I don't want to be owned by anyone or anything.
It's not worth it.
It's not."

ring a bell? You know whats up already. I thought when you posted this, that maybe you really did understand. You started out talking about a girl that find's her happiness through relationships and whatnot. Wtf dude? It's a hypocricy! C'mon...
Take care of yourself. Don't become obsessed with the thought of a perfect relationship. Besides, you're moving. Dont wanna go through that heartbreak.

Anonymous said...

Oh, and P.S Nic...
PEOPLE DONT CHANGE. Maybe their actions do? But people dont. You cant change a person, and you cant change yourself for a person. You should never try and do either!! People dont change man. they just dont. you should know this by now.

enigma said...

Anon,
Have to disagree with you. People can change, but you can't change them. You can only change yourself, your actions and thoughts and as you learn and grow, beliefs seem to change too. It is hard work and painful at times, but it can be done.

Anonymous said...

But the person you are will never change. You are who you are, and you are born that way. Like I said, yes, things can change. Lifestyles, actions, decisions... but you are born with one personality and thats just who you are! It would baffle me if nobody believes that.

Emily said...

Sandy,
I just read your comment in regards to thinking about the girl and if she was your daughter and if Nic was your son. Ouch, I feel somewhat dumb. I don't know how old you are, but now I feel like my advice to Nicky was really stupid. Maybe its because I'm close to him in age. I was thinking along the lines of, "hey why not?" Have some great sex, spend some time in the beach, read poetry together, listen to music by candle light!!!

NICKY,
MY ADVICE, might have been BOTCHED!!! I'm an idiot! I don't know. I just want to come on here and read that your happy and doing well. I need to retrack here. GET YOUR ASS IN SCHOOL. STAY BUSY. WRITE, WRITE, WRITE!!! Its so hard to give advice. I'm not an addict. (Well to food and maybe the fucking toilet bowl!) It was your dad's damn book. It leaves you in a mad frenzy saying, "where the fuck is this kid?" Is he okay? Then I find you and you have grown on me like a fungus that I just can't kill. Its that fungus that becomes part of the house. It doesn't harm anything so you almost want to nurture it and make sure its doing okay!!! (I hope your laughing a little!!!)
Oh Nicky! Lots of Love and thinking of you always!
Enjoy your weekend and work hard on your tour!
-Emily

Ashley said...

"the best lovers are those capable of loving from a distance, far enough to allow the person to grow, but never too far to feel the love deep within your being." -einstein

Anonymous said...

Believe in yourself, Nic, before you try to believe in someone else. You must learn to love YOU, care for YOU, not hurt YOU before you can go on to a relationsip with anyone else. It will come, as it should, with hope and caring and thoughts....keep it up, Nic.

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Anonymous said...

Nic, How do you know that you're really in love. You've known this person for a week!! Keep getting to know her, but also take a look at the people she hangs out with and listen to things about her family life and support system. Remember any time your gut tells you that something feels wrong, STOP and listen to your inner self and as much as you hate it later when they are right, listen to your parents as they sort through this new relationship with you. Make sure you stay committed to going to school in Vermont. DO NOT give this up for her. If this relationship is meant to be it will stay strong even if you go away for a while. One more thing.. Don't give up other committments because you don't want to be away from her or she doesn't want you to go. Best of luck. I hope the 2 of you have your first fight soon so reality sets in and you can work on really getting to know each other. D503

Emily said...

Shit Nicky, I have a confession to make. Just now did I sit down to read all the way through your blog. My life is so fucking chaotic I never have time to do shit, but work, study, go to the gym and sleep. So, I briefly skimmed through it and read your blog and thought, hell yeah, go for it! Then, I skimmed again and read Sandy's post and though, "uh oh." Now, that I've actually taken the time to sit and READ your words I'm worried about you. Oh my favorite internet "fungus" a person must be happy in their own skin. All I got from this blog is you are still not completely happy in your own skin! I hope I'm wrong sweet Nicky. Thinking of you and wishing you the best of all good things to come!
Love, Emily

PS I also was able to sit and read all those crazy comment on Guitar Wolf! Holy Shit! Your an Internet Whore Star or something like that!! You have some big time HATERS out there!! You know what that means... Love You or Hate you they still know who you are and take the time out to think of you! Your a fucking ROCK STAR!!

LadyMissSusan said...

Tried not to take this bait from someone that is afraid of who they are but, whatever. I'll bite.

"undying love"

Ummm...
That's not exactly what I said but whatever. Whatsit matter to you anyway?


Sandy, that was one amazing post. Well said!

Anonymous said...

LUST Nic. LUST.... you know the difference.

beth said...

nic-
i have been thinking about your post all weekend, while trying to think about my life, my choices when i was your age. they were usually self-destructive, because i was not ready to face the truth, so i pled ignorance, even though i knew and most people around me knew-that i needed to take a step back and breathe. but one destructive relationship followed another and i could never break the cycle, because i couldn't be alone long enough to really see "me".

then, once i was sober i found relationships even harder, because there is nothing to hide behind when you feel insecure- no drug to numb yourself when you feel inadequate or worried they will leave you because you are fucked up emotionally.

then i went back to your words nic-

"But unless I allow the process to develop at its own pace, I’ll just keep leeching onto people with this utter desperation. Because without them, I am left with the thing I’m most afraid of: myself.
So I’m learning how to sit with myself today—trying to figure out who the hell “myself” really is.

And until I figure that shit out, there’s no point in doing anything else".

i read this a while back and thought- "wow, he is really trying to take it slow and work on himself" and i was cheering you on.

and... this last post scared the crap out of me- for you. and it took me back to my days of self hatred and i wish you could see what i see- what we all see here.

take your time nic, you have so much life left-so much of a really awesome life- if you want it. now is the time to get to know you- the sober you.

i did not want to respond telling you what to do- but i only wish you the best and i have a vested interest in your success. why? because you are me- 15 years ago and with us addicts- when we root for each other we are really pulling for ourselves as well-

...because i am one drink, one hit, away from a relapse...

so are you, nic- take it slow, man.

tim said...

"But unless I allow the process to develop at its own pace, I’ll just keep leeching onto people with this utter desperation. Because without them, I am left with the thing I’m most afraid of: myself.
So I’m learning how to sit with myself today—trying to figure out who the hell “myself” really is.

And until I figure that shit out, there’s no point in doing anything else".

Nice find beth. Nic listen to nic.
tim

Anonymous said...

la la la bumba

Sarah said...

I find it beautiful how your family still embraces and welcomes you after all things said and done. Unconditional love is such a powerful thing and I hope it helps you on your path and that you actually REALIZE it. That is not in any way meant to preach by the way. It is just that having so much love and support from family is not a given and you need to treasure it. You truly are lucky to still have them in your life.

Wha? said...

Hey Nic,

Just discovered your blog recently after reading your book. I just wanted to check in and say hello, I too, am struggling with addiction and love reading your blog and its good to hear someone of similar age and background thats going through the same shit. Love your writing man, keep it up.

Tammy said...

Who ever the anon was that said people don't change. That is total BULLSHIT! I am not the same person I was at 20. I don't think the same, I don't view others the same way, I don't act the same(thank God, I don't do the same things, and I damn sure don't look the same. And yes my personality has change with age. When you are in your 40's take a good look at who and what you were at 20 and then you will see just how much people change. A personality is something that developes over time. It is influenced by experiences, by others and by atmosphere. Life exeriences make a person who they are. It is not something you receive in the womb.

Chardonnay said...

I'm just sad. I wouldn't think it should be this difficult, but I guess it is. And I'm sure all this psycho babble doesn't help.

I've read some pretty interesting words in here, but in my opinion there are just too many mommys and daddys and wanna be lovers in here for my level of comfort.

I wish you could get to the point of feeling peaceful without having a current sexual relationship. Other relationships,yes. For me, this all seems so easy. We are all so different, aren't we?

Anyway, I'm not sure what to say to you right now. Looking forward to your next brilliant one.. while I try to come up with something brilliant to say as well.

S said...

Be smart about it Nic, I'm fighting the same battle, and since you realize your habit, fight it. My therapist has been advising me to break up with my boyfriend for about half a year now, so I know how hard it is. I can't imagine life without him, it's like you said, you need them to live. But as much as you'd like to think that they're helping your recovery, they're only slowing it down. Be strong Nic.

Anonymous said...

Hey Nic, I just wanted to say that one day I think you are going to be a great sponsor. You will save someones life.

Anonymous said...

Hey Tammy, that was me...
you have brought up a very good point! I never had thought about it that way. I guess maybe I'm just thinking about a different type of change, ya know? I don't think that people should change for other people, or because other people should tell you that you should. It's really up to the person, ya know? That's not what I'm implying that Nic is doing, I have no idea. And yea, I guess that certain thing's or aspects of yourself are good to work on. So very well put. You have enlightened me a little bit, haha!

Joanna T said...

Nic, you should come to NJ and do book signing. lol. I would seriously LOVE to meet you, and about your -love- thing, Don't go out looking for love...Just do what you need to do. Do something for yourself.

You have to love yourself first before you love anyone else.

=)

gamahuchi said...

I haven't read anyone else's comments so I have no idea of the thread that 's going on. All I know that I feel your pain 'cause I do exactly the same thing. I'm doing it right now as a matter of fact. Trying to concentrate on work and not think about him. We have know each other for 2 weeks and I am freaking out that because of scheudle conflicts, I can't see him until Thursday! It's so stupid! Plus I haven't been to a meeting in weeks. I have that dangerous feeling that since I have 3 years and 10 months that I can get by without meetings. And a sponsor? What's that?

Marko. said...

perverse.







do you care?

Anonymous said...

Where is Nic? Why no new posts?

rfh said...

Have you ever stared at the full moon, as it turns to a shimmering dust and is taken by the sun?

gus said...

Watch as the moon turns to dust and follows a path to where you know the sun must be.

Julie said...

Nic, your blog is amazing, your way with words cuts right to the core. I you have come a long way since you wrote your book, the fact that you see yourself in your friend is proof of that. You will make it, my friend, you have the strength and the love of others. Keep up the good work....keep strong....know you are loved.

Anonymous said...

Wow, when I read this, It's like I'm reading about myself. Like EXACTLY. Which is scary, and amazing in a wierd way

but, You are smart and perceptive. And, the best thing is that you realize the things you are doing. If you never realized what you were doing, there will NEVER be a change.